Да, дискуссия там интересная. Hарод начал подозревать и медальон,
проданный Ткалецем, который, что ни говори, выглядит вполне натурально.
http://www.acsearch.info/ext_image.html?id=62777

Про Антиноя можно посмотреть в Википедии, почему он популярен
у нумизматов нетрадиционной ориентации.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinous

Я инициировал дискуссию на ФАЦ. Там народ бывалый, может
какие-нибудь новые мысли сгенерирует. Спасибо за пост с БМ - я не знал, как выковырять фотографию. Надо бы и нам её поместить. На ФАЦ всегда есть опасность, что ветку снесут, как отбрасывающую тень на всю античную нумизматику. 
Характерно, что люди, которым есть, что сказать, молчат "как рыба об лёд".

Отредактировано Vesontio (2009-12-28 20:51:04)

Ошибся, с кем не бывает...  Русский - трудный язык. 
Вот ещё: "Куй железный, пока горячий". 

Кёртис отважился дать анализ. Из него следует, что, если быть честным, на реверсе, может быть, и есть следы античной работы. Зато на аверсе "умелец" добил только кирасу. Впрочем, сие означает, что остальные детали он "профессионально почистил", ибо зачем добавлять кирасу, если и без неё всё остальное хорошо. "А в остальном всё хорошо!". 

I think the Commodus medallion in question, about to be auctioned by Bernardi and Lanz in NYC, is authentic, but extensively tooled.

The obverse die is well known on authentic pieces, for example Gnecchi pl. 83.5, but on that die Commodus' bust was draped only. On the Lanz piece, the tooler has added all the detail of the cuirass and shoulder flaps below the clasp on the emperor's right shoulder.

The reverse type has been even more extensively reworked. Hercules' "six-pack abs" are a modern creation, his facial features too, as Byzcoll correctly pointed out. The ears, eyes, snout of his lionskin, hanging down beside the altar, are an invention of the tooler; on genuine pieces the lionskin ends shortly below Hercules' knee.  His quiver hanging in the tree has been transformed into a thick branch and his bow, just above the quiver, has been tooled away. I suspect that this die started as the same as Gnecchi pl. 83.5, in which case a major change has also been made in the relationship between Hercules' head and club and the title IMP VII in the legend. That is the same reverse die that was used for the second, third, and fourth medallions shown above. I don't exclude, however, that it could be a new reverse die, so far unknown to me in its untooled state.

In my opinion $50,000 is not cheap, but rather far too much money for such an extensively remade piece!

Отредактировано Vesontio (2009-12-29 12:21:26)

Такую патину медальон мог нагулять естественным путем и с 19-го века...

Curtis Clay:
"The duplicate obverse pointed out by Stefan leads me to the same conclusion as Lloyd T: both of these medallions must be modern fakes, since their obverses derive from one and the same mold.

Apart from the identical centering and the same fault at 4:00 pointed out by Lloyd, both obverses have the same fake shoulder straps and lunate section of the cuirass above the straps, which as I stated above are not present on the ancient die that they duplicate.

It is unlikely that this is an alteration made by the mint on the original die in the course of its life, for I have images of 18 strikes from this obverse die, and only the two in question have the added cuirass flaps on the shoulder. The other 16 pieces all show just the emperor's smooth shoulder below the clasp of his cloak.

Both reverses also derive from genuine prototypes, but have been more clumsily and extensively tooled than their obverse.

Apparently the forger has done a good job of making his products appear ancient, even under close examination in hand: they are being accepted into top-flight auctions, and the piece shown by Stefan sold for $60,000 in 2006!"

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=39106

Разводка на 60 килобаксов, плюс комиссионные. 
Интересно, NAC даёт пожизненную гарантию? Наверное в таких случаях затаскают по судам: экспертиза, контрэкспертиза....

Отредактировано Vesontio (2009-12-30 14:40:19)